Ena's Ban Appeal

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  1. Username: Ena
    Punished by: LordKonKon

    Server: Survival

    Date punished: 11/15/2019

    Punishment type: Ban

    Punishment length: 15 Days

    Reason: Using a Macro

    Plea: First of all I really want to thank staff to decide for my ban to be 15 days rather than a longer one or a permanent ban. I fully admit that I used macro and I'm extremely sorry for that.
    After seeing people use keybinds for commands for a while and as it didn't have any effect on mcmmo, I thought macros were legal but it was my mistake for not looking better at the rules nor asking any staff before I commit a tier 4 offence in the rules .
    I really do understand my mistake and I'd be glad if I could play sooner. Been playing here for a while now so I should've known better, I apologize for my mistake and any problems it may have caused. Thank you for taking of your time to read this ^_^
  2. cp12cwp

    cp12cwp Trial Helper Staff Member

    Why is this a ban @LordKonKon. @Cluster21 used/uses one lmao, guess we got to ban him for it too kek.
    But on a real note
    Ena what did you use it for. I don't think should be a ban. You said it didn't give you an McMMO advantage

    It would make sense tho if it gave you an advantage, but figured you'd have learned from your mistakes prior to this incident.

    Edit; I see why Ena was banned
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2019
  3. Evoal

    Evoal Member

    I dont see why he deserves a Ban lol even it didn’t give any advantage or Something

    +1 #UnbanEna
  4. cp12cwp

    cp12cwp Trial Helper Staff Member

    I talked to him on discord and he used it to auto trade with villagers so I can see why he got banned. Cluster just used it to make Nick's and stuff
  5. Cluster21

    Cluster21 Helper Staff Member

    using macro is okay as long as you use them for normal commands, but using them for scripting is bannable. I think already told you guys in map 4 :D
  6. Flash_Jordan_

    Flash_Jordan_ Active Member

    Unban or fucking fight me
  7. Osleya

    Osleya Active Member

    Ena is nub #unbanthenub
  8. danisaacs

    danisaacs Active Member

    Given you were doing it to auto trade with villagers, you were doing to grind /bal. I'm honestly surprised most of your bal wasn't taken. You got off pretty light.
  9. cp12cwp

    cp12cwp Trial Helper Staff Member

    Lmao scripting? Wow okay yeah that's not allowed
  10. cp12cwp

    cp12cwp Trial Helper Staff Member

    Tbh I'm surprised he wasnt perma banned. But yeah idk. I'm not gonna be bias on this. Ena is my friend but yeah big bad
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2019
  11. Osleya

    Osleya Active Member

    I'm surprised too that your staff rank isn't taken away after all the times you've been extremely unprofessional when it comes to shops. Also, given the fact that you know nothing about how it worked and what result it had to Ena's bal, combined with the fact that you had no idea which mechanic of the game Ena used (judging by you blaming him for duping) we come to the conclusion that you do not have enough knowledge to judge and that you're just salty after all the times Ena passed you on baltop even though you P2W.

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  12. LordKonKon

    LordKonKon Moderator Staff Member

    Considering how the script was used to gain an unfair advantage over the player, a 15d ban is nothing, especially considering how much it was used. Because of this, we think that the ban time that has been set is perfectly fair, and won't be changing it.
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  13. First of all I would like to make clear that my bal has been made using legal game mechanics and not any bug or exploit. The use of the macro only helped me to do things a bit faster (around 10% faster) and less tiring, even without the use of it I would have made the balance sooner or later.

    I decided to continue my appeal as 10 days after my ban staff team came to the conclusion that removing 1/3 of my balance would be a fair addition to my punishment. That seems quite unfair to me so I'd like my points to be read in order for a more fair punishment if any.

    The first point that has to be mentioned is that half of my balance belongs to LadyOsleya (around 4.5 million or so). That means that if 1/3 of my balance would have to be removed that would be 1.5 million of my loss and not 3.2 million as it is now.

    Secondly, the macro has been used for less than two weeks which is just a small time period in comparison to the time I have been playing on this map, therefore I can't see how such a big percentage of my balance corresponds to that given time period.

    If none of the above matters to you and if we consider that my balance has been made with the use of macro from the start of the map till now, the amount of it that has been removed still is unfair. To prove that I made a test on a creative server comparing the process I did to farm balance with and without the use of the macro.
    This is the video of the test
    As shown in the video with the use of macro 2.66 dubs of armor have been made while without the use of it 2.16 dubs of armor have been made, in almost the same time. 2.16 / 2.66 = 0.81 That proves on its own that the macro just made the whole process 20% more efficient which corresponds to 1.8 million (out of the 9.1 million) instead of the 3.2 million that have been removed .
    But trading with the villagers is just the half part of the whole process. To be completely fair after the creation of the armors you have to use more time to salvage them in order to create the final product that you can /sell. Salvaging all those dubs of armors will take more than the time it takes to create them(mcmmo salvage) . Given the fact that the whole salvage process has been made totally manually and legally and assuming that the salvage process takes same time as the trading process , the use of macro only corresponds to 10% of my total balance as it only assisted me in half of the time I grinded money on the server. Ofcourse acquiring the emeralds that all this needed to have it keep going took its own time too but as I cant calculate that let's assume it as 0.

    In conclusion, 15 days of ban was already enough for me to not use any kind of those 3rd party programs ,even though there are already legal macro mods(command macros) that have the same effect as what I used a.k.a making your gaming experience less tiring and make you a bit faster.
    If any balance fix should be made it should be like 900k (if not less) which is what corresponds to the gains that the macro gave me. 3.2 million seems a very big amount for which I had to spend more than 40 hours in front of my pc to make. The removal of this makes me demotivated to play and feels kinda disrespectful as all those hours that has been used for it were not that pleasant and still they made for absolutely nothing. in 15 days I could make even more than that but combining both the ban period and the balance removal seems too much for me to accept. Again I have to stress that I only used game mechanics and not any exploits or bugs. I hope I helped you coming into a more sensible punishment and not what this came to be right now. Thanks for your time.
  14. cp12cwp

    cp12cwp Trial Helper Staff Member

    I agree 1/3 is too high if that's what os made on her own. It was a high tier Offence you got to remember that. Also, 15 days really isnt a lot for a program like thst along with a partial balance dismissal. Personally I just wouldn't have done it and wouldn't be in this mess. Sure it only may have done "10%" but u still gave your self an advantage over others. 40 hours? Well if you manually traded I guarantee it will be a lot more than 10% in hours. Like I said tho. The 1/3 is too much but I do justify the means.

    Also make your video unlisted. Not private
  15. Thanks I made the video unlisted now :). As it comes from the calculations it it would be around 4-5 hours extra without the macro, and again the advantage it gave me in comparison with the legal chat macro mod is of the same category. That's why it feels strange that the one is legal but the other is so heavy punishable. Both makes it easier for you and make you a bit faster
  16. cp12cwp

    cp12cwp Trial Helper Staff Member

    I mean scripting is one thing but typing a key to type a command like /nick is another. We aren't even allowed macros for warps
  17. Osleya

    Osleya Active Member

    The /god macro makes grinding mcmmo so much easier :p
  18. cp12cwp

    cp12cwp Trial Helper Staff Member

    Tru. Tbh I got to get a new macro dis map kek. Yet to get one. Does anyone know one for commands this map?
  19. Osleya

    Osleya Active Member

    AKA it has an "unfair" advantage over other players. Especially people without /god (for damaging armor and acro) or /fly (for acro). Being able to instantly do these commands makes grinding mcmmo easy as hell. So that being allowed while trading macros being a high tier offense makes no sense. And moreover the punishment being so heavy with no calculations done is unfair especially since a huge amount of that cash was mine. So 15 days of ban + 3.4 mil taken away and now a Mod saying he's going to take all the diamonds from our grinding area is too much.
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  20. LordKonKon

    LordKonKon Moderator Staff Member

    I'm going to be locking this thread after this response as i don't know why it wasn't in the first place, but the following is all you need to know:
    Regardless of being able to achieve that money over a longer period of time without the use of a macro, the fact that a macro was used is what makes it null. After all, all XRAYing does is speed up how fast you can find diamonds, right?

    On a personal view on this, i think the punishment given was fine, considering an external modification was used to gain an advantage over players (Yes, doing actions faster is an advantage). As for a God Macro, this is the first i've heard of it but if it works how i think it does, i also can't see why that would be allowed.
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